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PostSubject: Blood Bond Sucks ???   Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:26 pm

Okey this goes like that: Blood bond is the stupidiest BG of the serpent clan. On the old Battle realms it was really usefull. with 20 pop you blood bond 4 ronins and you can erase a hard AI with wolf clan but the thing was 50% damage transfer 50% damage taking, so it was cool. On winter of the wolf however... ronin takes 75% damage and bonded unit takes 50% which is damn retarded, cuz overall you recieve 25% bonus dmg.... Whoever doesn't believe that... there is a readme file that goes with the expansion... look the letters that include blood bond ...

One more thing... What I know about BR is that good tanks do not come with a LOT of HP ... they come with a lot of resistances and ronin isn't such a unit... It is true that with the reinforced plate he is strong on pierce and blunt, and naturally on cutting but explosives and magic and fire is just too much for him to handle... so what kind of a tank is he while he cannot withstand any backline fire ???? Pack master is a hundred times better tank... So the argument about the strong ronin made by Blood bond is stupid either...

Other argument is to summon Budo and blood bond ronins to him to make them powerful... This is true as far as it goes, but Budo is not for free you must give 1 yin for him and 250 rice, 250 water if I remember right, so the price is too high for creating a lil bit of a tougher ronin...

Ronin has two purposes in battle:
1) Use yin blade to drink stamina and create Yin [also inflict magic dmg]
2) Send him to die, so he can boost your army and slow the enemy...[The slow from the cursed swords greatly helps your macro with your ranged units !!!]
3) Does good damage when he is mounted.

So who the fuck wants a tougher ronin ???? What for ?

And this ends like this:

"Retribution awaits" but not for him

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PostSubject: Re: Blood Bond Sucks ???   Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:02 pm

to send a ronin to enemy base is the greatest bullshit cuz the cursed swords are shotable, so u die, and enemy shot it and delete. and a waste ronin..
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PostSubject: Re: Blood Bond Sucks ???   Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:28 pm

who says about sending just ronins to the enemy's base ? Perhaps you need to read more carefuly... What I said about the obliteration of wolf with bonded ronins... I was talking about THE OLD BR and about AI ....




Cursed swords can indeed be deleted... but when two armies clash and few ronin fall during the mids of battle are you quite sure you will see the cursed swords ????

Waste of ronin ??? Tell me other use of ronin that I didnt point in my first post...
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PostSubject: Re: Blood Bond Sucks ???   Fri Jan 22, 2010 6:12 pm

2) Send him to die, so he can boost your army and slow the enemy...[The slow from the cursed swords greatly helps your macro with your ranged units !!!]
i said for this. and not Ronin Making Waste, the ronin"s killing for a cursed Sword..
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PostSubject: Re: Blood Bond Sucks ???   Fri Jan 22, 2010 6:13 pm

send him to die is..
just thinking what u said
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PostSubject: Re: Blood Bond Sucks ???   Fri Jan 22, 2010 6:18 pm

No I dont mean to send him to die alone .... hahahaha
I meant he is infront of your whole army and the idea is to die quickly so you can boost your soldiers and slow the enemy, blind them nuke them cut them Smile to say that cursed swords is stupid just because it can be removed is like saying lotus skull or balista totem is stupid cuz they can be removed....
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PostSubject: Re: Blood Bond Sucks ???   Fri Jan 22, 2010 9:13 pm

omg even all what u say is shit man...whats ur name at gr?? ill know what noob u are omg
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PostSubject: Re: Blood Bond Sucks ???   Fri Jan 22, 2010 9:15 pm

but skull make damage in all millsecond
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PostSubject: Re: Blood Bond Sucks ???   Fri Jan 22, 2010 9:24 pm

[BRAS]Kiwi wrote:
omg even all what u say is shit man...whats ur name at gr?? ill know what noob u are omg

When you reach thirteen you can come to argue with me lol

first learn that each statement needs a proof -> argument... statement with no proof means shit such as your posts... I have proven each tought of mine so you can go f**k yourself Razz

my name on gamespy is Petar we can play if you wish so bad Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Blood Bond Sucks ???   Fri Jan 22, 2010 9:25 pm

{[BRD]}DarK_FirE™ wrote:
but skull make damage in all millsecond

so what ??? each thing has it's effect and I dont think skull or balista totem are any way better or worse than cursed swords... each of them aid your army in different way
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PostSubject: Re: Blood Bond Sucks ???   Fri Jan 22, 2010 9:26 pm

no no
cuz curse sword make a died ronin wtf thats 90 rice and water
skull havent any cost
totem too
so what now...
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PostSubject: Re: Blood Bond Sucks ???   Fri Jan 22, 2010 10:01 pm

blood bond isnt shit at all

with the right combo its on of the best tanks in br, except heros

i use it again serp or dragon players in 2-2

blood bond+reinforced plates+darc pact ---> imba resistance against piercing and blunt--> snipes,canons,archer

the short any well usage give time for an attack on tower, as an example, without risk a hero
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PostSubject: Re: Blood Bond Sucks ???   Fri Jan 22, 2010 10:06 pm

sniper scopes yeah great... what if I turn off the scopes and use 4 shots to kill the ronin ? with bond let them be 5 ... perpahps if he runs down on stamina he brakes the bond... high level unit is never a good tank cuz the more powerful a unit is the more resistances it has but also the more weaknesses... the lower the tier less hp but neautral resistances to most which is overal better
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PostSubject: Re: Blood Bond Sucks ???   Fri Jan 22, 2010 10:08 pm

{[BRD]}DarK_FirE™ wrote:
no no
cuz curse sword make a died ronin wtf thats 90 rice and water
skull havent any cost
totem too
so what now...

Well army costs. We all know that everything has a cost... skull is one peasent's life yeah the totem is almost free but cursed swords could be the most effective of them... if your opponent got the jump on your rangers musks raiders canoners and at that time you recieve cursed swords he will be slowed you can kit then... escape and do better work
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PostSubject: Re: Blood Bond Sucks ???   Fri Jan 22, 2010 10:22 pm

musk will need over 15 shots to kill those ronin, try it, and he can be healed, blood bond dont drain stamina,its permanent, as long as the other unit is alive

but at least the important thing is, that the enemy concentrate on this ronin, as u do, but is surprised when all towers will burn
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PostSubject: Re: Blood Bond Sucks ???   Fri Jan 22, 2010 10:32 pm

15 shots ? with musks defaulst exp attack ? you gotta be kidding me... I dont give more than 5 or max 6 shots life to them... besides I never ever focus on ronin except if I have exp units....

blood bond doesn't drain stamina but if ronin's stamina goes down due to running for isntance it is broken
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PostSubject: Re: Blood Bond Sucks ???   Fri Jan 22, 2010 11:10 pm

i think he mean 15 shot with blod bond..
not default ronin
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PostSubject: Re: Blood Bond Sucks ???   Fri Jan 22, 2010 11:34 pm

yes... I understood... but blood bond doesn't increase resistance it just makes ronin take 50% less dmg so default ronin fall by 4 shots 50% it makes 6 shots Smile besides the bondie takes 75% dmg so to survive it msut be tougher than ronin.... or recieve heal... here is this way 6 shots to ronin and if he still lives the bondie is dead ... and the ronin will survive 6 shots only with razor fan for isntance
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PostSubject: Re: Blood Bond Sucks ???   Fri Jan 22, 2010 11:48 pm

4 musketeer shot kill 1 ronin???
did u tested it?
maybe u are the first who did this Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Blood Bond Sucks ???   Sat Jan 23, 2010 1:55 am

Blood bond is not too bad, if you ask me... But ronin doesnt suit for most serpent tactics. Snipers/blastshots and smokes work better in almost any situation you can imagine. Still, they may be extremely useful against Wolf who has only two units being able to relatively quickly kill ronin: pitch slinger and druidess. I never attempted to do it myself, but i presume that bunch of blood bonded (and, possibly, darc pacted) ronins followed with mounted geishas and few smokes can whack almost anything if it doesnt belong to lotus: they can plainly tear it apart with dark sentry plus goo combo.

However, there is a serious problem: whereas your ronins fight, bondees take some significant damage and may occasionally die. You need a lot upgraded geishas to keep them alive in case if you want to use many bonders; its not good because every unit u leave behind indirectly decreases your atacking potential. Also, you cant place all your bonds on single unit: probably he will take too much damage and die before geishas would react. Its possible to force them to keep healing bondee, but while doing so, player would lose attention for more important affair: controlling ronins (and other units as well).

Overall, i think ronins should be useful for tanking (and slicing) mass ballistas. Archers, canoners and musketeers are much more dangerous for ronins as they can inflict, correspondingly, fire, magic and blast damage.
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PostSubject: Re: Blood Bond Sucks ???   Tue Jan 26, 2010 3:05 pm

I know blood obnd doesnt drin stamina but if stamina goes down the bond is broken... Besides it only works well vs wolf enemy since they have only pitch and hurler with lava to defeat easy ronin all other units have a hard time defeating it.. but vs other clans it is stupid.... besides who focuses on ronin ??? ronin doesn't do a lot of dmg I focus on the healers and damage dealers first in fact riders are the first units I try to kill when defending a base.


btw I wonder if a glass sword strikes blood bonded ronin will the bondie take damage ???
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